Don’t Tell Me I’m Lucky with Tianna Arentz
Show Notes:
Trying to continue with your studies when you’ve suffered a concussion can be a challenge. From fighting for the accommodations you need, to overcoming PTSD, and dealing with the lack of support from people who don’t really understand what you are going through, post-concussion life is not an easy road. Today on The Post Concussion Podcast we chat with Tianna Arentz. Tianna experienced her first concussion in a snowmobile accident when she was just 15, knocking her unconscious. She then suffered a second concussion in a car accident on her way to vision therapy and since then, she has experienced approximately 13 more concussions with her most recent occurring just a few months ago.. She joins us to share her story of the many challenges she has faced and continues to face as a result of her injuries. Tuning in you’ll hear about the symptoms she’s experienced, how she has handled the lack of support from friends, classmates, teachers, and family, and the accommodations she has had to fight for to complete her studies. To find out which treatments she finds most helpful, tips for handling PTSD, the importance of seeing the right therapist, and much more, tune in today!
Key Points From This Episode:
• An introduction to Tianna Arentz and how she experienced her first concussion in a snowmobile accident.
• The effects of the first concussion on Tianna’s Life.
• How she sustained her second concussion in a car accident.
• The headaches and other symptoms she’s experienced as a result of her injuries.
• Half days and other accommodations that were made for Tianna in school, college, and university.
• Bella and Tianna share their experiences of the cognitive evaluations that they have done.
• The treatments that Tianna is having and which ones she finds most helpful.
• Tianna’s feelings on seeing a therapist and the importance of finding the right one.
• Tianna’s experience of PTSD and tips for handling it.
• How Tianna feels about even small hits on the head.
• Thoughts on exercise and being active.
• The level of support she has received from her parents and family, and how she has lost friends in the process.
• ADHD and other health problems that you can experience as a result of a concussion.
Connect with Tianna
Follow Tianna on Instagram: @tianna_arentz
Transcript - Click to Read
[INTRODUCTION]
[0:00:07.5] BP: Hi, I’m your host Bella Paige and welcome to The Post Concussion Podcast. All about life after experiencing a concussion. Help us make the invisible injury become visible.
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Welcome to today’s episode of The Post Concussion Podcast with myself, Bella Paige, and today’s guest, Tianna Arentz. Tianna is from a small town in Pennsylvania called Spring Grove. She graduated from high school in 2017. Her first concussion was just two years before a snowmobile accident which knocked her unconscious and caused PTSD. Since then, she suffered from approximately 15 more concussions from the middle of sophomore year until the end of senior year. She was completing half days and it has not been an easy road. Tianna hasn’t had the best support system so she hopes speaking today will allow her to find others to talk to and relate to about post-concussion life.
[INTERVIEW]
[0:01:45.9] BP: Welcome to the show, Tianna.
[0:01:48.5] TA: Thank you.
[0:01:49.8] BP: Do you want to start telling us about all of these injuries that you have had?
[0:01:54.7] TA: All right, the first one was when I was 15, I was in a snowmobile accident, I was the driver and me and my rider were both knocked unconscious and I woke up before him and he was in a coma for like two or three weeks. I didn’t know I had a concussion until like two or three weeks later, “Why was does my head still hurt? It happened so long ago.”
[0:02:19.0] BP: Yeah.
[0:02:19.6] TA: Then I started to go to the doctor more and they’re like, “Yeah, you probably have a concussion and didn’t heal right. Now you're having all these long-term effects.”
[0:02:28.8] BP: Great, yeah.
[0:02:30.8] TA: I suffered with that one for a long time and I went on half day to school because I wasn’t healing and then I started vision therapy and physical therapy and vestibular therapy because I was so dizzy and headaches every day. Woke up, had a headache, went to bed, still had the same headache, if not worse.
[0:02:52.9] BP: I get that.
[0:02:53.8] TA: Then, we had another car accident, actually going to vision therapy from the first one, then I got another concussion and it just kept getting worse because I kept hitting my head and didn’t heal. I never knew what to expect because I thought it was as worse as it was going to get and didn’t think it would get much worse but it did.
After that one, probably with all the car accidents that I was in, I don’t know if I was just collecting it and see because with the first one, I lost one of my vision or what. I just kept on getting in car accidents and getting concussions so that wasn’t great.
[0:03:36.2] BP: No, for sure, that’s quite the accident on the way to therapy is like the –
[0:03:40.1] TA: Yeah.
[0:03:41.4] BP: Right?
[0:03:42.1] TA: Leave it to me.
[0:03:43.6] BP: Yeah, already got the bad luck and now you’re adding to it.
[0:03:48.5] TA: Exactly, accident prone.
[0:03:51.6] BP: You mentioned some of your symptoms, what other types of symptoms that you have? I know headaches was definitely my biggest problem.
[0:03:57.9] TA: Yeah, since then, I haven’t had a day without a headache so I’m still struggling with that majorly. It get pretty bad, it’s raining here so today, it’s pretty bad because of the rain, after therapy is worse of course and vision therapy and speech therapy have made it worse.
[0:04:18.1] BP: Okay, yeah.
[0:04:21.1] TA: Some things makes it better but definitely not the headache-wise. That makes it worse after therapy. I’ve had like numbing and tingling in my arms.
[0:04:31.0] BP: Okay.
[0:04:32.4] TA: That’s just from the recent concussion, that’s been the worst.
[0:04:36.0] BP: Yeah.
[0:04:37.0] TA: The last one was March 11th. That’s like two months ago, I think. Yeah. I don’t know, if I keep getting hit in the head, some thing’s are going to keep getting worse they say but right now, I do not have a neurologist because she left.
[0:04:53.8] BP: Okay, yeah. I had a few scary comments form doctors, I don’t know if you did but there were like, “If you get hit in the head again, just, this isn’t an option.”
[0:05:03.8] TA: Yup. They’re always like, “I’m going to put you in bubble wrap.” Yeah, I’ll probably still find a way to get hurt.
[0:05:11.1] BP: I would have doctors tell me, “You can ride your horse, just don’t get hit in the head again, if you get hit in the head again, you’re screwed.” I’m like, “Great. Thank you for letting me know.” Big warnings, like, “You’re lucky that you're in this state,” and I’m like, “I’m lucky? Don’t tell me I’m lucky, I don’t want to hear that.” Like you, I was in pain every single day, don’t tell me I’m lucky right now.
[0:05:33.8] TA: Yeah, exactly.
[0:05:37.2] BP: You mentioned that you did half days in high school what other accommodations did you get?
[0:05:41.3] TA: I had extended time for test, I could use a recording pen that recorded the lectures and recorded what I wrote and what the teacher said, but I found that wasn’t very helpful because my processing speed was so slow. I was still in the first sentence and then they were like halfway through the lecture, this is great.
[0:06:01.4] BP: Right, yeah.
[0:06:04.2] TA: That one wasn’t that helpful but the extended time for a test and kind of works and everything, that one was nice.
[0:06:09.4] BP: Did you find it easy to get the accommodations or was it like a challenge to convince the school to give them to you?
[0:06:16.8] TA: High school, it was a challenge, not so much for college. It was a little easier. Mainly because I knew how to do it for college because I went through it for high school and I had to sit in the front of the class room because I cannot focus.
[0:06:30.9] BP: Okay, yeah.
[0:06:32.2] TA: Yup, I had to wear sunglasses in school because of my light sensitivity.
[0:06:36.5] BP: Yeah. Do you get accommodations in university then, now?
[0:06:42.2] TA: Yes, I have about three pages of the accommodations right now. There’s almost about the same but more in depth because some teachers are so understanding and some are not, which makes it very hard.
[0:06:57.6] BP: Yeah, I actually had the same situation as you did when I went to high school trying to get accommodations was like a challenge, I had some teachers fight it, they were like, “She’s fine.”
[0:07:08.3] TA: Yeah.
[0:07:08.9] BP: One teacher tried to kick me out because I wasn’t there for enough hours, I guess was like a requirement. I was keeping up with work and then university, college, it was so easy, they had like a whole area at the school you could go to, I had like this really long 20-page form to hand to a doctor.
[0:07:28.0] TA: Wow.
[0:07:28.5] BP: They filled it out and thane I had accommodations and I was like, “This is great.” I did have to do – did you ever do any of those really long evaluations, it’s like a psychological but cognitive evaluation?
[0:07:40.8] TA: Yeah, I’ve done a couple of those.
[0:07:42.4] BP: I can’t think of the name and it’s like all day long.
[0:07:45.0] TA: Yup, it really is.
[0:07:47.6] BP: How did you find those?
[0:07:49.5] TA: More stressful than they were helpful actually.
[0:07:52.6] BP: Yeah, the only reason I find it helpful though once, is they didn’t believe me when I told them I had memory issues. I was trying to tell them I couldn’t – I would read it and study but I’d walk into a test and I couldn’t remember any of it.
[0:08:07.2] TA: Right.
[0:08:08.6] BP: I did that once. Every year, they’d make me redo it to prove that I still couldn’t remember things.
[0:08:15.3] TA: Wow.
[0:08:16.8] BP: I was like, “No, this isn’t my fault, I’m not making it up.”
[0:08:19.2] TA: Yeah.
[0:08:19.8] BP: It’s good that you’re getting the accommodations because I find some parents are having trouble. My mom had to actually come in with me in high school and fight with the principal to get me accommodations because she’s like, “She’s not going to make it through school without this.”
[0:08:36.2] TA: Nope. Yeah, it just means we have to prove ourselves in order to get help that we need.
[0:08:43.6] BP: They can’t see it, right? They’re like, “What’s wrong with her, she looks fine” it’s like, nope.
[0:08:47.4] TA: Yup, exactly.
[0:08:48.3] BP: Not true.
[0:08:49.1] TA: You have no idea.
[0:08:50.8] BP: Yeah. You mentioned some of the treatments you’ve tried. What do you find how helped you the most, which ones are you still doing today?
[0:09:00.3] TA: Actually, I still do all of them today.
[0:09:02.0] BP: Okay, wow, that’s good.
[0:09:04.4] TA: I think, I’ve been on and off from speech therapy and physical therapy, they were out past six years or five years, I don’t know. Vision therapy, I’ve been in for the whole time because I had vision loss and then I had eye surgery a couple of weeks ago but I just always had vision problems, that’s probably my biggest thing.
[0:09:25.1] BP: Yeah, you’re a lot more dedicated than I was, I was terrible with therapy, I tried so many and also I quit them all, I’m done. I need a break, I want to be a normal person and then three months later I’ll be like, okay, I’m going back.
[0:09:39.2] TA: Yeah, it’s time consuming though. It’s an hour a day, twice a week for each one, it’s like five hours for three therapies.
[0:09:47.9] BP: yeah. A lot of the time it gets hard to see improvements all the times, then you get irritated or you said they make your symptoms worse so it’s really hard to be like – voluntarily go do this and then be in pain all day.
[0:10:02.3] TA: You're right.
[0:10:04.6] BP: They do help, there’s tons of benefit to them but it does take a lot of self-motivation to keep going.
[0:10:10.9] TA: Yeah. Then push you to way past your limit, you just can’t think anymore where they’re like, “We have to keep going.” “I can’t do it anymore.”
[0:10:19.1] BP: Yeah, “I’m going to quit,” this is why I walked away.
[0:10:23.6] TA: Yeah.
[0:10:25.1] BP: That’s awesome, that you're still going.
[0:10:27.7] TA: Yeah. I’m trying to get better but not making much progress.
[0:10:33.7] BP: Well, it’s hard when you keep getting hit in the head. I remember when I would get hit in the head, I’d have like a huge overwhelming fear that would come over me when it happened.
[0:10:44.9] TA: Yeah.
[0:10:46.3] BP: Anyway, you can follow Tianna on Instagram @tianna_arentz which will also be available in today’s shownotes. With that, let’s take a break.
[BREAK]
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[INTERVIEW CONTINUED]
[0:11:28.5] BP: Welcome back to The Post Concussion Podcast with myself Bella Paige and today’s guest, Tianna Arentz. Something we talked about before in the podcast was mental health and going to see a therapist.
How has been going to therapy and how easy was it for you to go?
[0:11:48.1] TA: Not easy at first, I’ve seen about four different therapists since it happened. The first time I went to one was right after the accident. Well, probably eight months after.
[0:11:58.3] BP: Yeah.
[0:11:58.9] TA: This is still not going away, I need to talk to someone. I walked into her office and I walked right back out like I was, “I can’t do this.” That was the hardest thing. Not being able to open up but knowing you needed to.
Then I saw one at my other college that I was at, same thing. “I still can’t do this, it’s been three years and I cannot talk about it yet." Then I saw another one at the school I’m at now and I was like, “Yeah, I have to do this, it’s affecting my college and everything else. I have to talk about it.”
I did and then the therapist that I see now, she is a lot, I like her a lot. She makes going therapy like you want to go to therapy. You play games the whole time, why you talk about your feelings and then all of that fun stuff. The stuff no one likes to talk about but you know you should.
[0:12:54.1] BP: It makes a huge difference because I can’t count how many therapist I saw once.
[0:12:59.3] TA: Oh wow.
[0:13:00.2] BP: Because I would go, a lot of the time I went to full assessment centers so you see a ton of different doctors in one day and one of them would always be a therapist and often I’d be like, “No, I’m never talking. I’m done.”
[0:13:13.0] TA: Yep.
[0:13:15.5] BP: When I was younger, the first few times like my mom would come in with me. My mom would just look at them, she’s like, “Oh, you don’t like them do you?” she would ask me after. She’s like, “You didn’t like him?” or “You didn’t like her?” “No.” She’s like, “You can tell the way you talk because you’re very— because I just sat down and didn’t really answer their questions and stuff.” But it’s good. I found one that I loved and I only saw her for a few months but that’s really all I needed at the time and it made a huge difference.
I didn’t realized how much of a difference finding the right therapist would make because she actually gave me tools and I liked her personality. Like you said, you wanted to go. I go, I wanted to go talk to her every week, like I was actually kind of forced but I felt less forced by the end, you know? My family and doctors had – it was kind of mandated therapy but luckily she was a good mandated therapy person.
[0:14:12.9] TA: Yeah, good.
[0:14:14.5] BP: It’s a good tip to tell people to keep trying to find the right one.
[0:14:18.3] TA: Yeah, the right one’s definitely out there. Anything, a couple – oh, no never coming back here again, to find the right one.
[0:14:25.8] BP: Yeah and you usually know pretty quick, it’s like, “No, we don’t mix.”
[0:14:28.5] TA: Right.
[0:14:29.7] BP: Do you have any tips for handling – you have PTSD.
[0:14:35.1] TA: Yeah.
[0:14:35.6] BP: Did you get more PTSD from some of the other accidents or is it still from that original?
[0:14:41.5] TA: There are some from the other ones like the car accidents and everything and I got some of it from hay bales that fell on top of my head. Yeah, so with the whole memory thing, it’s also like you think you have a terrible memory until the accident gets brought back up and you remember every little detail. People say like, “It’s not that bad. It was just an accident,” you know? But it was bad. I was 16. It was traumatic.
[0:15:10.3] BP: Yeah, for sure.
[0:15:11.5] TA: Being alone in the woods in the dark, I was just – not a good combination.
[0:15:17.1] BP: Anything can be traumatic. It is just the way you’re – and sometimes your brain spins it, right? Like way worse.
[0:15:23.1] TA: Right.
[0:15:23.6] BP: Than it might have been at that time but that’s not your fault.
[0:15:26.3] TA: Yeah.
[0:15:27.2] BP: Do you have any tips for handling PTSD after dealing with it for so long?
[0:15:32.6] TA: Grounding yourself probably is the most important thing, knowing where you are at the present time, which I don’t know if you’ve heard this one before but a good tip is like the five-four-three-two-one where you’re like, five things you see, four things you can touch, three things you can hear, two things you like about yourself and then one other thing that you dislike when it’s mentioned. Getting in that present spot has probably been the most helpful.
[0:15:59.3] BP: If it helps, it helps right?
[0:16:00.9] TA: Yeah, definitely.
[0:16:02.2] BP: Me describing an object in front of me and my brain helps, or spelling words forwards and backwards helps, it does take my mind off things.
[0:16:11.1] TA: Yeah.
[0:16:11.9] BP: You just have to figure out.
[0:16:14.0] TA: Like redirection, like rerouting your brain or something else.
[0:16:17.5] BP: Yeah, I really needed that because I couldn’t get it. Do you ever feel like it was spiraling and you just can’t get the thoughts?
[0:16:24.6] TA: Yeah, it just don’t stop.
[0:16:25.7] BP: They just don’t stop, right, yeah. All of a sudden you are sitting in there and driving it’s often when all of the thoughts come flooding in for some reason.
[0:16:34.8] TA: Yep.
[0:16:35.0] BP: You’re like, “Wow, I should probably be not on the road right now,” yeah.
[0:16:38.8] TA: Exactly. And flashbacks, same thing. The five-four-three-two-one kind of thing because once they come, they’re even already a riddle of thoughts because you feel the coldness, you feel loneliness, you feel the sacredness, you feel an adrenaline rush. You just have to get back in that where you are right then and there.
[0:17:00.3] BP: I could see that. Do you find yourself like you got a concussion two months ago, because you seem to be getting them, do you find yourself nervous even when you hit your head like slightly now?
[0:17:16.2] TA: Yeah, definitely. I can’t even have people touching my head. It just scares me like I hairbrush. I just can’t do it. It’s just scary like not the fact though in wanting to get in the head, which is like something touching my head. Even my glasses on my face are just – it just doesn’t feel right anymore.
[0:17:34.1] BP: Actually the best explanation I had for it was a sunburn. You go in the shower, in a normal shower without a sunburn like it warm or cold water and it feels fine. When you go in with a really bad sunburn and all of a sudden the water hurts and water shouldn’t hurt.
[0:17:51.8] TA: Yeah.
[0:17:52.9] BP: That’s what your brain is like. Your brain is like it’s on – it’s like a sunburn. These nerves are so heightened that anytime someone touches it, it’s like, “Don’t touch my head, please don’t.”
[0:18:04.1] TA: Yes.
[0:18:04.4] BP: “Oh my, oh my, oh my that really hurts” even though it probably doesn’t but the fear of it is way worse.
[0:18:11.4] TA: Yeah, just something coming at my head but yeah, I’ve gotten concussions from pretty much anything and everything and none of them were sports related.
[0:18:22.2] BP: Yeah, are you active at all now? Can you be?
[0:18:25.3] TA: I used to be and then I have pox, which is some of the reason I passed out and hit my head. I can’t really do as much exercise because I can’t breathe and I just get so dizzy.
[0:18:37.5] BP: Okay, yeah. My exercise has always been like, “I shouldn’t be doing it but I’m doing it anyway,” a lot of it, but now I can, just really modified depending on what it is.
[0:18:50.3] TA: Yeah, I mean I work on two farms so I mean it’s like that’s exercise itself.
[0:18:55.2] BP: That’s pretty active, yeah.
[0:18:57.2] TA: It’s like hiking, hiking and stuff that I used to do like lacrosse and softball like I can’t do it anymore.
[0:19:02.9] BP: Yeah and I can see that but no, yeah working on a farm is definitely not doing nothing.
[0:19:08.4] TA: No, not at all. It’s a lot of work.
[0:19:13.1] BP: How is your family been about everything with your concussions, siblings and parents?
[0:19:18.7] TA: Sisters have been okay, parents not really understanding because I still have symptoms. They don’t think that I should still be having symptoms.
[0:19:28.3] BP: Right, yes.
[0:19:29.8] TA: My sisters, they’re okay. Every time they get hit in the head, I’m like, “Follow all of these rules” it just scares me because I’m the oldest sister. I got to protect them but if they have a concussion, they got to follow all of these stuff and not wait until the last minute to figure out that you have a concussion. I’ve lost a lot of friends throughout all of these concussions definitely. There were many days in high school where I was sitting by myself at lunch because everyone thought I was exaggerating but they just had no idea.
[0:20:00.3] BP: Yeah, that’s hard but it’s true because it’s invisible, right? People look at you like, “Why are you complaining?” or I’ve gotten so many comments until I started this podcast from people who I went to high school with and they’re like, “Wow, I didn’t realize you were suffering that bad.” I’m like, “No.” Yeah.
[0:20:20.6] TA: I think the biggest thing was why they were so distant I guess was because I wasn’t at school very often because of it and they just thought I was faking it because I wanted half day of school.
[0:20:31.0] BP: Yeah, I could see that.
[0:20:32.7] TA: You can see why I would get in school for a full day, you know?
[0:20:35.3] BP: Yeah, no fair.
[0:20:36.5] TA: Every kid with a concussion wants to get through school for a full day.
[0:20:39.7] BP: Yeah or I’d get comments because I would just get up and leave in the middle of the class. I’d be like, “I’m done.” My head is pounding, I can’t concentrate. I can’t think like I need to go home and lay down and I had one teacher who is just amazing. She was my English teacher and she’d be like, “Well, that’s fine. You can leave” some of the looks I get were like, “You’re just going to get up in the middle of the class and walk out?” I’m like, “Yep” because –
[0:21:04.2] TA: Right, like how could you?
[0:21:06.1] BP: I physically cannot be here and if you looked at me, I didn’t look that bad. I didn’t look like I was – I could stand up and walk and I was going to drive home but it’s amazing how much people can’t see which makes this so hard to deal with.
[0:21:22.6] TA: Yes, it does.
[0:21:23.8] BP: I think I cut off a lot of my friends mostly because I grew up a lot faster I found because of my head injuries.
[0:21:32.0] TA: Yeah, definitely.
[0:21:33.1] BP: My friends, I had friends that I went to high school and they’re still in that – they are still in party and stuff. I’m like, “I’m so done with that” I grew way fast already kind of extra grown up. I was traveling a lot by myself when I was a teenager and I wasn’t living at home and then you get head injuries and then you have to deal with doctors all the time and all of a sudden, you feel like you’re an adult.
[0:21:57.9] TA: Yes, you do.
[0:21:58.8] BP: All of your friends are not adults, so that can definitely be a big challenge. I didn’t really thought about that but it’s true. A lot of them is just like “I can’t.” Your issues are not my issues and I’m trying to be understanding but losing a goal at a game or something, it’s important but not the same level that I feel right now.
[0:22:22.0] TA: Right and all of them got annoyed by my ADHD, which also developed from my concussions, so a lot of my health problems developed from my concussions. I’ve definitely realized that. You don’t think that you could get ADHD from a concussion but you can. And I have. It’s crazy.
[0:22:40.6] BP: Well, you don’t realize how much like your other – also if you had other health conditions how much they’re heightened. I’m anemic and I take iron every day but if I don’t take iron, it’s not like a normal person who’s anemic, like all of my concussion symptoms get heightened on top of a normal person, right? It’s like, “Wow, this should not be that complicated or something” and now it’s really complicated because if my iron drops, I have a brutal headache and I’m stuck in bed kind of thing but it just shows that your concussion can kind of heighten everything. Some people just—, it causes so many other issues. Like you said, your eyes, you have had a lot of vision problems.
[0:23:25.6] TA: Yeah, like prisms in my eye. I’ve got prisms from my lenses, bifocals and my prescription has changed about 20 times.
[0:23:34.1] BP: Yeah. Actually something I did for the first time was when I went to the eye doctor a few months ago was we went through a bunch of prescriptions and we actually picked the one that I can see best but the one that felt best.
[0:23:48.6] TA: Okay.
[0:23:49.7] BP: Something I never done before because I was getting headaches a little bit more often and I was staring at screens a lot more now because the podcast and I was like, “I’m having a lot of issues” so she put different lenses and she’s like, “Well, does it feel better?” and we actually went with one that was a little weaker and a little different because I didn’t feel that instant strain. Where she put the good like I’m really blind now if I take my glasses off, I can’t see anything. It was interesting to pick the ones that I couldn’t see the best but the ones that felt the best instead.
[0:24:22.2] TA: Okay, that’s pretty smart.
[0:24:23.9] BP: Yeah.
[0:24:24.4] TA: It’s like my eyes get so tired.
[0:24:26.4] BP: Yeah, they do, right?
[0:24:27.9] TA: Yep.
[0:24:28.6] BP: Yeah, so the really strong ones was like, “No, no, these are really hard.”
[0:24:33.2] TA: Yeah, that makes sense.
[0:24:35.4] BP: Well, I really hope you stop hitting your head.
[0:24:38.6] TA: Thank you, me too.
[0:24:40.5] BP: All your symptoms start to get better and thank you so much.
[0:24:43.5] TA: Thank you.
[END OF INTERVIEW]
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